Man Decapitated ‘Beheaded’ Aboard Greyhound Bus - Canada - Updates
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A man aboard a Canada Greyhound bus was decapitated after being repeatedly stabbed b y another passenger. Police said Thursday they didn’t know what prompted a passenger on a Greyhound bus heading to Winnipeg to viciously attack the man sitting next to him.
Passengers said the man repeatedly stabbed his seat-mate before beheading him and carrying the victim’s head around the bus.
Shocked passengers described the horrific attack as something incomprehensible.
Victim and Assailant Identified
Police have not confirmed the identity of the man stabbed to death aboard a bus late Wednesday and beheaded, according to witness accounts, but friends have said it was Tim McLean Jr., 22, of Winnipeg. (Tim McLeans MySpace Page)
RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie.
Face of Evil - Vince Weiguang Li
One moment, the quiet man near the back of the bus was minding his own business. The man hadn’t talked to anyone around him, and seemed to pay no attention to the younger fellow sitting next to him, who was listening to music on headphones.
The next moment, witnesses said, the older man stood up, still quiet, and repeatedly stabbed, then beheaded his younger victim.
“We heard this blood-curdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly, like 40 or 50 times,” Garnet Caton said Thursday from a hotel in Brandon, Man., where he and other passengers had been taken to rest.
“There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy.”
Caton said the bus stopped and everyone scrambled to get out while the attacker started methodically carving up the victim’s body, not paying attention to anyone else.
Caton and the driver shut the bus door from the outside while they waited for police to arrive.
“We put our bodies up against the door, waiting for him to come out … and he went back and brought the head to the front and pretty much displayed it … and dropped it on the ground in front of us,” Caton said.
“All very calmly. He was wearing sunglasses. It was no big deal to him.”
Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead from Kentville, N.S., also recalled the chilling scene.
“The guy came to the front of the door with buddy’s head in his hands, decapitated. He dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up,” Olmstead said.
Live Police Radio Transmissions
Here’s a piece of information not making it into the MSM who are describing what Li did to the body only as “desecration”: Li ate some of his victim’s flesh.
From a police scanner recording of an officer at the scene describing events as they happened:
[Li is] at the back of the bus, hacking off pieces and eating it.
Listen below… (WARNING GRAPHIC)
More detailed account here
Caton said he heard a “blood-curdling scream” and turned around to see the attacker holding a large “Rambo” hunting knife above the victim, “continually stabbing him in the chest area.”
“He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times,” said Caton.
“Like, just everywhere, arms, legs, neck, chest, guts, wherever he could swing it, he got it,” said Olmstead.
“It looked kind of like a scuffle or an argument, you know, and then somebody’s, like, ‘Knife! Knife! Run!’ so I was running up the alleyway, slapping people telling them to get going, move, get off the bus. I got pushed over, some lady got pushed over, I was just making sure everybody was OK, and we all got off the bus,” said Olmstead
As panicked passengers fled the bus, “the attacker was over top of the victim … continually cutting him. I think the victim was gone at that point,” Caton said.
Trio tried to check on victim
Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded the vehicle to see if the victim was still alive.
“When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy’s head off and pretty much gutting him up,” said Caton.
The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio.
When the attacker tried to drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said.
“While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us,” said Caton.
“They did an awesome thing, holding him in there, because if not, what would have happened?” said Olmstead.
Video of Witnesses
It is so obvious that we are living in the last days…this world is worst than Sodom and Gomorrah
yes sir
Come now! Things like this happened everyday in the past.
Still though, it’s incredible. That’s like something from a bad horror movie.
This is messed up. I hope the victim died quick without much suffering.
i hope that guy suffers the rest of his pitty live the way the victim did, what an outrage, what a bestiality
i hope that guy suffers the rest of his pitty live the way the victim did, what an outrage, what a bestiality
Had I been there I wouldve pulled out my bucknife and slashed the attackers jugular vein before he had the chance to behead his victim. What frustrates me is that this happened in Canada which doesnt have the Death Penalty or Prison Rape for people like this.I also cant understand why the Cops didnt just shoot him DEAD on the spot. Thats what we do here in the U.S.
We are NOT living in the ‘last days’.
BUT this is one of the most heinous, depressing, sickening, awful, tragic, disgusting crimes I have ever read about in my 27 years. A young life just completely desecrated in such a demonic way.
What made this killer tick? I don’t want to know but this is EXACTLY why we need the death penalty. Liberal or conservative. We need to value life. Taking the joy of living from another being is the WORST crime of all.
People watch horror movies like Hostel or films like No Country For Old Men and become desensitized. Normal people can evaluate these films in rational ways but unfortunately VERY DISTURBED individuals watch them too. I say this as someone that works in the entertainment industry.
We can’t let people with dangerous mental illnesses threaten innocent lives in our society, on our road ways, or streets. People like this need to be committed. Their families, authorities, peers, neighbors, co-workers, need to step-up and be responsible for these sick individuals. They need to be in asylums. If they’re not taking their meds, then it is a threat to all of us. Society failed this innocent young 19 year old man.
We NEED compassion, morality and religion. Whether you’re secular, live by the sciences, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. LIFE needs to be protected, respected and valued.
This is a shameful black mark on modern society but this is NOT the last days. We will EVOLVE and continue to evolve as a human race and society. We are not at the end, or even the middle. Human beings have a lot of growing to do. Citizens of the world are doing positive and great things everyday.
Just you wait… this will probably be a new horror movie idea.
My son was travelling Greyhound this past week and the thought of that scares the living daylights out of me. Are we not safe anywhere anymore? We hear about things like this happening in the Middle East, where such a thing seems to be almost common place among fanatics…..but here on the prairies? It’s definately NOT something that happens every day. Heaven help us if it ever does.
I hope this young innocent man did not suffer in the hands of this evil garbage piece
of shit. I hope Canada will consider the death penalty for human sewer like this. I also want to say i hope i hope and i hope i was there just to demonstrate what a real man can do. I would have risked my life to save this young man’s life i would have done everything and anything to stop this piece of crap. I am so disappointed at all the passengers for not doing anything at all. What a shame.
THE INTERVIEWED TOLD US THE ATTACKER WAS NOT WHITE .
EXECUTION FOR THOSE WHO COMMIT CRIMES AS IT ONCE WAS .
WHEN WILL CANADA WAKE UP AND GET MAD AS HELL AND TELL THOSE WHO PROMOTE ‘ POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ‘ TO GO TO HELL !
WHEN IT GETS EVEN WORSE ?
WHEN IT IS TOO LATE TO GET BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS ?
Mike, the passengers didn’t do “nothing” they did save other lives by acting quickly, but I do agree that more could have been done to save the victim. There were more than enough people to overpower him.
To die in such a way is just horrible, I cannot even imagine what his family is going through. Most of these kinds of stories don’t even phase me anymore, but the brutality and gore involved in this one just shocks me. I am 18 and listen to music and keep to my self all the time(like I’m sure most of us do) which makes this hit home.
The death penalty is too good for him, drawn and quartered is the way to go.
psychotropic medications - those who have adverse reactions to these meds or those who abuse them engage in this kind of mindless violent behavior. when will we learn?
Its things like this that i hear about and think wow, if only one of those passengers, was carrying a concealed firearm, how different the out come could have been. I know Canada has banned them and the states would love to… but firearms in the hands of the right people can and would be a huge deterrent, in all the school shootings and in cases like this.. it just makes me angry that this could have soo simply been stopped or prevented.. I’m with mike saying that there were more than enough people to overpower one guy, but can understand the other side about more lives saved.. very simple let upstanding citizens carry a guns and back them up in questionable circumstances when they use them to protect others.
Gutless Canadians.
Bet you wish you had a Taser or the right to carry a concealed firearm now, huh? Then again, maybe not. After all, there is no violence in Canada, right?
One of those cowardly, running, Canadian sheep could have stopped that attack in an instant with a civilian Taser. Any average, (non-felon) US citizen can purchase and carry one of them.
Instead of running their cowardly butts off the bus, they could have saved that man’s life.
How pathetic.
I hope those blood-curdling screams haunt them till the day they die.
Uhhh, so much for passengers banding together to fight off terrorists. Did I read that right? A guy, with just a KNIFE, clears an ENTIRE bus of travelers? And he was able to stab the victim a mere “50 or 60 times.” And it’s fortunate they all saved themselves, giving the guy enough time to decapitate a human head. Then what do they do? Leave him the bus!? They’re lucky he didn’t take it and run them all over.
There were young children on that bus. What were they all supposed to do, run over the old people and the children in their haste to get to the perp? He was crazy enough to go after a complete stranger, and if he did it because he was psychotic, it’s likely they wouldn’t have been able to subdue him without a lot of other people getting hurt.
Airplane terrorists are just a little bit different–they’ve got enough presence of mind to plan out their terror attacks and they are VERY present when they stand up and announce the hijacking. No problem. Sometimes they can even be reasoned with.
As for the gun thing have you ever *been* on a Greyhound? Reeeally close quarters. God, if someone had had a gun, a lot more than just one young man would have died. Most people who own guns never use them in a situation like that and I’m sorry but going to a range is NOT adequate training for dealing with a crisis situation. I’m thinking again of the little kids. My God. I’m pro-Second Amendment and that is WHY I object to the idea.
And as for the death penalty, if it deters crap like this, explain Texas, with one of the highest murder rates in the United States. Crazy people or really angry people do not care about consequences, they only care about hurting somebody. And if they’re crazy, killing them will be lost on them–they should have been locked up to begin with.
Typical fascist comment oyochick and cindy…….immediately berating the survivors for not stopping the guy. Come on and you would have done better. Big talk. I am guessing that since you are American you are probably very overweight and probably could not have moved fast enough to do anything. Maybe if this happened in Texas the killer could have shot more people rather than just killing one since he probably would have had a gun. You like to bash Canada buddy but you need us more than we need you………where do you think you get most of your oil. It’s not the middle east. Oh, and water……your government is already begging us for it since half your states are drying up like prunes. You probably don’t know any of this since it is a well known fact around the world that you are mostly a bunch of mentally challenged idiots with the lowest education levels. Your comments show your true nature…..you are closer to the killer in attitude than the survivors. You are a violent race. Just ask anyone outside of your country.
I can not believe what happened! I don’t think the people on the bus could have stopped it, my god he was stabbing him with a huge knife, by time they realized what was happening and got a weapon to fight him, it would have been too late. They did all they could do in that situation. I am sure they will all have nightmares for the rest of there lifes, and to put this on them is just not right! Put yourself in their shoes, what would you have done? Remember the guy had a big knife and you don’t have a weapon. Some are saying that Canadians should be able to have guns - why? So this stuff can happen more often, He could have killed everyone on the bus if he had a gun!
I work with the mentally ill and this is definitely a case of a chronic paranoid schizophrenic who obviously was not taking the appropriate medications. It appears he most likely heard voices telling him to do this–he probably carried the knife due to paranoia. I just bet we find out he has a lengthy psychiatric history and past psych hospitalizations. and of course since he is 40, no one can force him to take medication. its unfortunate but sounds like a classic case of severe mental illness/schizophrenia! I believe though that life imprisonment is the answer for this man. psych hospitalization is a temporary fix-once let out these mentally ill people decide not to continue taking meds–thats the problem here! and i bet if authorities dig deeper they will find he comes from a dysfunctional family with histories of mental illness!
My 13-year-old daughter and I just traveled using Greyhound for the first time at the beginning of June; and my son’s best friend (age 19) just used Greyhound to meet up with us on vacation a couple of weeks ago.
I am having nightmares thinking this could have been him . . . or us. I thought it was a pretty okay way to travel, weird but not awful. Don’t think I can see myself ever doing it again after hearing this.
My heart goes out to the young victim’s family. I cannot imagine the horror they are living out.
As for the comment that we Canadians are gutless this kind of thing does not happen everyday. If we let every individual carry a gun or taser who says this man wouldn’t have used another weapon on his victim?
I live about one hour from the attack and yes, it scares the hell out of me. There are crazy people out there and no matter where in the world you go you’ll find them. Put yourself in the shoes of all the other people on that bus, would you run after a man waving a knife? And if we should have used guns on the attacker as most of you americans seem to think who says all the other passengers would be safe? 50 people running out of a bus + gun and tasers going off would probably mean more fatalities
Ever seen the movie Bowling for Columbine? THAT is why we Canadians are proud of our gun laws and we are sticking to them.
My prayers and thoughts are with the victim and his family.
What happened to the real men in our society? 25 yrs. ago men would have rushed this maniac and saved that poor victems life. Now they all run away like feminine cowards! I guess the John Wayne era is over. Now maybe they’ll try to rehabilitate the beheader and with any luck he’ll be out in 5 yrs. adopting children. What a sick world we are in when good people are afraid to recognize evil and do away with it!
At least the killer was stopped before he killed SEVERAL people. My first thought was “What was this guy on?”,and I think the toxicology report may reveal much. What’s shocking here is not only the brutality,but also the randomness…
Are all of you Americans actually serious. Instead of having feelings of sympathy for the poor people who suffered through that horrid event and not to mention the friends and family of the victim. How dare you be so shallow to think that this won’t haunt every persons mind for the rest of their life.
The John Wayne era is dead, mainly because John Wayne was a character not a real person. If everyone was like John Wayne we would all be dead because everyone would just shoot their gun.
This is a tragic event and of course everyone looking back at it says that something could have been done to stop it. The passengers on the bus did try and stop the attack. But what would you do if a possesed crazy person is running at you waving a knife.
I am really disgusted at the ignorance of so many of these comments. Of course you can say you would have donned your superman outfit and saved the day, then flown off to rescue an elderly women from a burning building. But we are not super heroes and no person knows how they will react in such a horrific incident.
By the time the other passengers realized what was happening the victim was already beyond the point of help. Only an American would believe that the solution to a violent act is another more violent act. So many of your comments point out the startling realities in our world. Violence is not a solution but a problem. Americans need to learn this and grow up from their infantile state of throwing a temper tantrum as a solution.
My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of this tragedy. And I truly hope that the passengers of that bus are able to overcome the demons that will haunt their mind, not because of what they didn’t do but because of what they saw.
Proudly Canadian!
Is it not somewhat wierd that no one has commented on the two stabbings in a Phoenix mall. Yet everyone comments on this happening in Canada. Probably because violent crime is rare in Canada and a common daily occurence in the glorious United States of America.
Let me tell you this has shaken a lot of people here in Canada, yeah we have our share of nutjobs and violent crime, but this one is really over the top. The guy is obviously mentally ill and having capital punishment is not going to deter this kind of psychotic behavior, electrocute him all you want–people in his condition are not in control of their mind.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I am just sick for the victim’s family and for everyone on that bus who went through this trauma. Hooray & thank you to that bus driver for fighting the natural instinct to “run for the hills” and keep that guy on the bus. A lot of lives were saved that day.
We are living in the last days… This is it.
If this video wasn’t enough of an awakening, everyone needs help.
JESUS IS COMING QUICKLY.
The world needs to get ready..
Good god, people, does purse snatching always have to be a crime? Find someone’s purse, wrap the strap around his throat, and strangle away! When it’s your life or his, guess what? Kill that S.O.B. With anything you can find. He wasn’t paying attention to anything but his victim. He was standing up. This means his back was turned to half of the bus. Fourty or so people had an opportunity here. Look around, find a weapon, and kill him. You’ll have an entire bus full of people ready to stand up for you in court if you’re accused of murder. “Save a life” never means “just save your ass”. That’s not the American way, that’s the human way. Living in the US, I am embarassed and ashamed of all the flaming against Canada in these responses. They are our Sisters and Brothers. They lost a life, horribly. I don’t know if the young man could have been saved in time, but his attacker absolutely could have been stopped.
What is wrong with all of you people we are talking about a human life, not about whether the U.S. or Canada is better than the other. Grow up! I am a U.S. Citizen but I personally love Canada. So let’s quit beating eachother up with words and agree on the reality of it all, what happened was a tragedy.
I certainly would not have been one of the people to hold the attacker back. Say what you all want but most of you wouldn’t have either.
Everyone has opinions but you know what they say about opinions, so if you can’t feel a little compassion and empathy for the victims, then maybe you should keep your opinion to yourself!
Yes we need to do a little more in the area of defense . No travel source should go without metal detectors. Yes if harm is a mental intent it can be done by any means but in the mean time lets prevent weapons of metal from traveling.This is nessesary no matter where or in what country.I salute the heros on the bus who got everyone else out. To the family of the victim I will spend time in prayer lifting them up to a God who knows their every need at the sad time.
Bowling for Columbine…Yes i remember that movie that went striaght to DVD here in the GREAT USA!
I think it was only sukcessful in your country. Micheal Moore Stinks!
I have a gun permit, and i know people who have had to use the personnal firearm to keep a very bad thing from happening. Just one person with a fire arm could have saved your country alot of money.
Don’t get it wroung…i love canada!…i’m a HUGE RUSH FAN!! I’m sorry for everybody that had to see that, and i hope He gets what he deserve!…(which is not sitting in prison for the rest of his life!!)
Just a comment. I don’t understand why the RCMP didn’t shoot the attacker dead. They knew no one else was on the bus and had many opportunities to do so. Perhaps I don’t understand the law enough, and still question why our legal system makes no sense at all. This is going to cost us law abiding tax payers into the 7 figures as the legal system attempts to prosecute him and to determine what kind of mental illness he has. A person such as this cannot be rehabilitated back into society as a normal person. I’d rather see the 7 figures of tax payers money go to the family of the victim to help them get their lives back on track.
My prayers and thoughts are with the family.
This is just another example of our justice system on how “the little old lady who got thrown in jail because she hit a burgler over the head with a frying pan and killed him as he was attempting to break into her home”
So, is this right ? No one did a thing and then everyone fled the bus and left the poor sweet dead fellow alone with the knife weilding maniac ?
Perhaps when a scream was heard, a light or two should have been put on and someone could have squirted the bad guy in the face with the fire extinguisher.
I am absolutely disgusted that people like this are allowed to roam free. Okay, so APPARENTLY this guy had no previous record. But he is 40 for crying out loud. And his doctors let him roam the steets!! And someday again, he may roam the streets - parole. Disgusting. The family of the deceased has found out from the media. Disgusting. A standoff lasted HOURS, and people are criticizing the PASSENGERS for not doing “enough”. Disgusting. If people thained in tactical assault could not enter the bus, what would a civilian accomplish, other than more tragedy. And the video accompanying the police scanner recording was shot DURING THE DAY. THIS HAPPENED AT KNIGHT. THE SEVERED HEAD IN NO WAY SHOULD BE DISPLAYED, not to mention that in no way does it represent anything to do with the victim. DISGUSTING.
Wow. I hope the Canadians realize that these ignorant American commentators don’t represent all of us. Many Americans have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality; partly because of too much TV and too little education, and partly because they are caught up in a fantasy world of 2000 year-old magic and miracles from the middle east. (Some of these comments expose Christianity for the death cult that it is.) But those wakkos are more likiely to comment than are more rational people, and there are many intelligent, rational people living here. There is no doubt that getting away from the guy and isolating him was the correct thing to do and I applaud the brave men who risked their own safety to keep him on the bus. (John Wayne? Really now!)
Capital punishment is most certainly a necessity when people like this sick f*ck are out there amongst innocen thuman beings.
Wow, can anyone say psycho? It is too bad someone didnt try to stop him, knife fights are bad but still, id take a couple stabs to save someones life (if I could have gotten at least 1 person to help me). Its true though, who knows what they would do unless they were there? No offense to Canadian gun laws, but, if I was that kid, id wish someone on the bus had one. Personally I dont know how you guys seem to think that if someone shoots a gun its going to mystically kill a bunch of innocent people.
Anyone who knows absolutely ANYTHING about guns, knows you check what’s behind your target before you shoot and to top that off, there are bullets called hollow points, which yes do more damage but also, are designed to stop in the body (no exit). Unless of course you watched to many movies and shoot at the head.
Then the attacker could have had a gun right? I would bet my bank account that I could purchase a gun in canada if I wanted to, illegally of course. All taking guns away does is create a nice little market for illegal weapons. Criminals will always have guns.
American vs. Canadian Violence.
Gee, isnt America just a little bit bigger than Canada? Statistics are all just bullshit though right…
This isnt a question of which Nationality you are, its what you would want if it was YOU being stabbed in that chair. Screams are not just in pain, they are cries for help. Wish someone would have but, I dont know what I would do either.
I think the bottom line to this should be, shit happens. Its horrific, yes, but new? I seriously doubt it. Horrible stuff happens all the time, from the beginning of time, you just didnt hear about it. I live in Florida, and im hearing about this in Canada, yea, that didnt happen 50 years ago. Then again, parents didnt want their kids hearing awful things like that. Oh well.
Situation Sucks.
Keeping the victims family and friends in my thoughts and prayers…
It surely takes a very “brave soul” to comment on “how he or she would of saved the day!” if “they” had been there instead!…
Under those circumstances, ( which I cant possibly imagine as I wasn’t there), I have no idea what I would do, it probably took every last effort not to “freeze” on the spot from fear, yet alone run away for your life!.
Who would of liked to be the first one in line down that narrow corridor between the seats of that bus?…Can you say “Cannon Fodder?”.
My heart bleeds for the family members of this young man and the witnesses on the bus of such a heinous and demented crime.
I know the Nation is shaken today.
Violence begets Violence People!.
My condolences to the family and bus passengers! I’m not sure if this helps, but I do know that when your body’s traumatized, you black out early on. I think it’s your body’s way of dealing with pain and shock to protect you from whatever’s happening to you.
NO ONE should judge the passengers - it’s easy to criticize because you weren’t there. Some of the passengers were sleeping when this started. Being quickly awoken from a sound sleep, I’m sure neither you nor I would be able to get a good grasp of the situation in a split second, let alone figure out an instant plan to overtake this Jeepers Creepers 2 wannabe creep.
And, would you even think for a minute something like this would be taking place in front of you on a bus? The unfortunate victim probably was far gone early on. I do know I’d be the first one out the door and I’d continue running until I came to the next town. So lay off - everyone on that bus was a victim and their families.
- An American’s point of view
Wow! There is a lot of Canada vs. USA on here.
I’m shocked that instead of coming together and sharing how awful this is, how horrifying for the family, we are all fighting over which is better: Canada or US.
I am a citizen of Canada
AND
I am a citizen of the United States
Both countries have positives and negatives. I am PROUD to be a Canadian just as much as i am to be an American.
No matter where it happened, an event like this is damn scary. It’s terrifying to think that there are other human beings, other people who started out as tiny babies just like you and me could do this terrible, terrible thing.
My thoughts and prayers are with the family of the victim and all of the witnesses who suffered through this trauma.
he just didn’t like the music
I thought as much…
Okay soooooo let’s put this together.
This mans already been stabbed X amount of times in the throat with a large hunting knife.
The stabbing occurred at the back of the bus. Do/Dide you expect people to take a running start at a man weilding a large knife?
Did you expect them to try and grab a machette style knife by the blade and save the day?
He just needed to swing that thing around and injure numerous people.
Take away your idiot guns and tasers that are a way of life for and cause more death than prevent and think for a second what you would have done in that situation with nothing to protect yourself, the victim or others around you.
The reason why this story is so huge is because IT’S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!
Not saying Canadas a crime free nation but America is no better, so stop the bashing on the location of the crime it has nothing to do with that, concentrate on the disturbed fuck who found this soothing.
And also it’s great if the guy wasn’t paying attention to anyone else on the bus, just his victim, you never know what he could have done if someone lunged at him or pulled something on him. Unfortunately someone died but there was plenty saved.
He paid no attention to his victim in the beginning but we’ve all seen the result of that right?
I seriously wish Canada had the death penalty - with a case such as this. Where the killer is known - found on the scene - there is no need for evidence. He was in plain site of his victim. He should be executed for what he has done. Also I hope this is tried as first degree murder because of the actions taken.
I also think it is a said state that this immigrant - was allowed into Canada in the first place. And Unforunately - makes our immgration policy look like a joke. There needs to be tougher screening. Should a mentally ill person be allowed to work/live in Canada?
Scroll halfway down the page to see a video of the passenger that was sitting in front of Vince Li and Tim McClean. To all of those who said they didn’t care about the victim, you can see you are wrong. This interview says it all.
http://a11news.com/403/vince-weiguang-li/
I am an American, and like me, I am sure there are many Americans whose hearts and prayers go out to the victim’s family as well as to the Canadian people. This is a terrible tragedy…
My condolences to the victim’s family for this disgusting crime. He clearly didn’t deserve it in any way and I hope he died quickly and without suffering.
To the passengers, you are very brave for what you accomplished in that short time, especially considering the amount of shock you were likely experiencing.
To those who think something could have been done to save the victim’s life, the guy got stabbed in the throat while sleeping! You can easily stab someone multiple times in a second so I don’t imagine the killer’s aim was far enough off not to have killed with the first few stabs. Even if someone had a gun or taser they would only have avenged the victim’s death, at best.
P.S. cut the America vs. Canada garbage, it’s completely out of place and a pointless thing to argue about.
TR asked why the RCMP didn’t just shoot the suspect and it’s a fair question. Not having been there I won’t judge but the police are only allowed to used deadly force to protect themselves or members of the public from death or grevious bodily harm or to prevent the escape of someone who has already done so ‘provided no less violent means are available’. In this case I imagine the mounties knew:
1. The victim was dead
2. The killer was the only other person aboard the bus so no third party was in danger.
which would have made shooting him hard to justify at that point. When he attempted to escape through the bus window I imagine they’d have been quite justified in shooting him but managed to subdue him without doing so.
Frankly, it’s a shame they didn’t shoot him because unless I miss my guess, he’ll turn out to be a psycho who’s off his meds. He’ll be found Not Criminally Responsible and sent to an institution until some doctor says he cured and he’ll be released again. I’m not being critical because I wasn’t there and I’d never criticize those that were, I’m just saying it’s too bad.
As for all the armchair quarterbacks who are critical of the other passengers for not slashing the attacker’’s jugular with a buck knife or strangling him with a purse strap or several other novel suggestions, big talk from the safety of their homes. I’d be willing to bet that if any of them were there the only thing they’d have done was piss their pants. As someone who’s been in life-threatening situations I can tell you it’s not like it is on TV. Mental cases have super-human strength and are impervious to pain. You’d be crazy to take on a guy like this with anything less than a gun. In this case, by the time anyone realized what was going on there was nothing they could do for this poor kid anyway. They had the presence of mind to get off the bus, save themselves, and contain the suspect likely preventing a lot of other deaths. Well done, I say.
I agree with people here who say that there was not much that could be done. Yes there were many more people than the bloody murderer, but what? Are they armed with guns or even knives? Were there even enough space for all the passengers to go after the perpetrator together or would they be blocked by narrow aisles and get cut down one by one? And when they fail to subdue the maniac, what then? Would they even have enough space to run or would they step over one another? Even if the person next to the killer had a gun, can he really shoot in that narrow space without it hitting another person too? Or would it penetrate the psychopath and kill the victim also (granted it would have been an easier death for the unfortunate young man)? Seriously! To be simple-minded is one thing, to be idiotic is another.
Why in the world are ONLY second degree murder charges being done????He smoked with this Indian person targeted out victim in a group and decided after hearing him in conversation to move his things from the front to sit beside him so definitely some premeditation having come equipped with such a knife one does not usually go about with and changing seats not to mention the heinous nature of the crime. I do not understand why they did not shoot him dead rather than let him return to the body and start eating upon it.
I am also wondering why they released such a picture of the victim considering respect for innocent deceased and family. It must be for Canadians to go along with loss of their personal liberties getting searched every where they go,too.
I had heard Indians were called red skins since they turned this color not ashen when extreme loss of blood. When you see his facebook page he looked fairly Caucasian mixed.
What a shame everyone ran away from his cries. Certainly they could have knocked him out with all the luggage as a shield. I heard on the U.S. buses the drivers carried guns after a previous incident and got the cage around their seat to protect them.
I bet the drunks in the jail the mind controlled guy got taken to sobered up quickly if in the same cell with this guy.
It was shocking out of all those people no one helped him and shocking the police didn’t shoot the guy at all going back to eat the victim and continuing his heinous crimes dismembering the person.Are Greyhound windows bullet proof?What about all those tazers?
I was on a Greyhound bus a week ago leaving from Arizona headed east to New Jersey. It was my forth Greyhound bus trip in a month. I must say that in all my travels on Greyhound I witnessed no security procedures to keep passengers safe since 9/11. At bus stops they have no scanners to check cargo luggage or carry-on baggage. I was surprised by some of the carry-on baggage some passengers took on the bus. I guess they didn’t want to pay the $5.00 fee for more than one cargo luggage. While on my travels to all these excessive stopovers I felt very uncomfortable knowing that at a moment someone could do something heinous like what happened in Canada.
This crime could have been prevented not by terrified passengers fleeing the bus. All you macho people who claim you would have done something heroic to save that man is nonsense. You would have fled the bus, too. So give the passengers a break from your heroic overtones.
This is Greyhounds responsibility for not preventing this in the first place. They are responsible for the safety of their passengers. Their motto is, “Leave the driving to us.” That is fine and dandy, but what about providing security measures that could have prevented this in the first place? if the “Sicko Killer” carry-on baggage was in a scanner being searched for weapons, they would have spotted the Rambo style knife and informed him THIS IS NOT A CARRY-ON ITEM. And what you don’t do is have the passenger take it out of his baggage himself to place in his cargo luggage if he had any. You let security take control of that weapon.
Its sad that this tragedy happened, but it usually takes innocent victims to lose their life before procedures are changed. Greyhound is liable for this tragedy.
After this sad news I won’t leave the driving to Greyhound anymore until they have safe security measures. Our lives are worth more than the cheap bus ticket.
The kid was dead before anyone could have helped him. I’m amazed at the fact that most people don’t actually understand what they read. It was in the dead of night, close cramped quarters, everyone half asleep. It wasn’t a scuffle between the murder and the victim, it was a brutal slaughter in mere seconds. Any hero that would have jumped in would have been dead also.
Adrenaline will not save you against this type of person, they are calm and calculated, they are not distracted, and they don’t miss. You would be dead.
Anybody who would have jumped in would have become another statistic, and for nothing, the kid was already dead.
The only type of person who would have stood a chance against this psycho is either someone like him, or someone with extensive training for just such a situation. There was nobody on that bus equipped or trained to deal with him.
It’s not about strength, it’s not about size, it’s about state of mind.
A seasoned cop with a gun in those close quarters would not have survived against him, because he would have had to hesitate, to be sane, psychos do not hesitate, they are deliberate, detached.
Everybody has a plan, until they get hit, then it’s a whole different story.
I’m not surprised by all the hero’s commenting on what “They” would have done. Way too many action movies will do that to a person, they are as ‘out of touch’ with reality as the murderer. I can assure you, none of you would have survived, and most of you would have been the first ones out the door.
EVERYDAY SOCIETY VIVIDLY DEMONSTRATES HOW INHUMANE IT HAS BECOME.. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS INCIDENT WILL NOT SINK INTO OUR PSCHE BEFORE ANOTHER ONE OF THIS MAGNITUDE OCCURS.
WE ARE LIVING AT A TIME WHERE WE ARE FEARFUL OF HAVING A FLAT TIRE IN AN ISOLATED AREA, AND FEAR FUL OFTHE PERSON WHO STOPS TO HELP US. IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE ALL AFRAID OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY! YOU KNOW WHAT? WE AS A PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT TO OURSELVES. NEW LAWS MUST BE LEGISLATED, SINCE THE PUNISHMENT NO LONGER FITS THE CRIME.
We must always remember that the killer is a human being. The most important thing right now is to find out how we can stop this from happening again. This man had no criminal record, which goes to show that anyone could flip like this.
Personally, I think the passengers did the right thing. The victim was already dead. All they could do was prevent the killer from exiting the bus and hurting anyone else.
ps. I am a Brit, don’t all attack me at once!
Hope all crazy evil people like that all get together and stab EACH OTHER to death …. and leave the rest of us well alone…. my heart goes out to the innocent young man and his family………………
Show some respect the lot of you.
Who cares who or where you are from!
We are all human beings.
I believe action is needed — Right now!
Here is my idea for a Petition to Mr Harper.
Dear Prime Minister Harper,
We the people of Canada demand action on Heinous Crimes Against Citizens. We demand an immediate resolution in the House of Commons to acknowledge the need, due to the type of crime committed on the Greyhound Bus on Thursday, July 30, 2008, to reclassify this type of beastly crime outside of the regular Criminal Code. We demand a mechanism for dealing with this kind of terrorist-like slaughter that falls in line with the UN standard of ” Crimes against Humanity, State, Citizens “.
Whatever you want to call it - We are confident your staff can find a name that will fit.
We believe the leaders of this Country are not doing enough on this issue and, thereby, seen as silent. Inaction is not acceptable. Inaction sends a clear and deafening message Canadians and the world that Canada does not deal with heinous crimes in a quick and decisive manner. We the people of Canada demand to exercise our Democratic Rights . Mr Harper, we the people of Canada demand a National vote to allow Capital Punishment within the context of the above proposed new category ” Heinous Crimes Against Citizens “.
If anyone knows how to publish this on the net please let me know and we can get it started. We need a format that can be signed online, Printed and delivered to Ottawa.
I really wish this had never happened or made the headlines in such a graphic way. We all need to band together and bring this issue to the halls of power. We can’t say we are appalled and sickened and in the next moment do absolutely nothing. If you feel strongly please let’s work together and get as many signatures as possible and deliver a strong message to Mr Harper that crimes like these are not just violent they deserve a new category of description and punishment.
I would like to convey my sincere condolences to the victim’s family, friends and loved ones and to all of those who were at the wrong place at the wrong time. May your healing begin and be complete.
Airplanes and buses move from one legal jurisdiction to another and the laws that apply to their contents (human t ypes included) are revealed in cases like this to be laws made by people with very limited imaginations and very little weight to carry! It would seem more fitting that the perpetrator of this crime should be sent to jail in Texas. (If the bus goes there, maybe that could be arranged?) Or perhaps to his place of origin in Asia where his name might receive a bit of a blemish. (Unless cannibalism is the norm there.)
OK, Skid, this shows your ignorance of Americans. And, you want people to respect you as a Canadian?
I have an 18-year old son who is pretty quiet and keeps to himself just like the victim on the bus, so this really hit home with me.
I can’t imagine what this poor young man’s family is going through right now knowing that their son died such a horrific death.
But, I also know that as a mother, his own mother is probably asking repeatedly why someone didn’t help her son.
This forum is supposed to be for the people who wish to make comments on the victim and the killer and the incident itself, not for you to make ignorant, hateful remarks about our country.
Shameful and disrespectful of you toward the victim and his family.
My (American) thoughts and prayers are with the victim’s family. As I stated, I cannot imagine what his family is going through at this time.
I wish Canada nothing but the best and as a nation, I am with you all in prayer for the victim and his family.
God bless you all!
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The preceding is in response to the following:
“Skid on August 1st, 2008 3:57 am Typical fascist comment oyochick and cindy…….immediately berating the survivors for not stopping the guy. Come on and you would have done better. Big talk. I am guessing that since you are American you are probably very overweight and probably could not have moved fast enough to do anything. Maybe if this happened in Texas the killer could have shot more people rather than just killing one since he probably would have had a gun. You like to bash Canada buddy but you need us more than we need you………where do you think you get most of your oil. It’s not the middle east. Oh, and water……your government is already begging us for it since half your states are drying up like prunes. You probably don’t know any of this since it is a well known fact around the world that you are mostly a bunch of mentally challenged idiots with the lowest education levels. Your comments show your true nature…..you are closer to the killer in attitude than the survivors. You are a violent race. Just ask anyone outside of your country.”
This disgusting lowlife of a so-callled human, he is human trash, should most certainly get the death penalty. The poor victim and his family are all I have pity for.,and of course the people on the bus who had the misfortune of witnessing this. In this instance I wish one of the bus riders would have had a gun on them to shoot this dirtbag and maybe save the victim’s life some how. I hope maybe from this the Bus companies would start to search passengers luggage and passengers themselves for hidden weapons. It is something to think about. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victim and his family.
Are you kidding me??? How many stories like this have you heard about in Canada? Calling the passengers cowardly? These people are all going to be traumatized for the rest of their lives.
It is a tragedy that someone who is mentally disturbed attacked and brutally killed an innocent victim.
I can think of something far worse: It is absolutely repugnant and inexecusable that not one single passenger failed to intervene and thwart the attack. The attacker was the “crazy” one right?
The attacker should not have been able to stab his victim more than once or twice before someone smashed him to the ground. The victim should have lived, perhaps recovering now in a Winnipeg or Brandon hospital, if one damn passenger would have lifted a finger to come to his aid.
How did this guy even get on a Greyhound bus with a”Rambo” knife!? I guess Greyhound doesn’t screen its passengers - maybe they should start - Amtrak too…
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I’ve been thinking about this since I read about it yesterday. Like something from a horror film. That boy did not deserve to die like that. My heart and prayers go out to this kids family and friends. And too the witness’ who will no doubt be eternally traumatized by this.
I cannot immagine there was 37 people on that bus and nobody did anything to save this young man,
It seems there is any brave people anymore. I know that man has a knife in his hand, but it easier to take a knife from somebody without hurting other people than a gone.
I cannot immagine nobody couldn’t do anything about it. I am sure 3 to 4 trong man on this bus could easily take this knife of the hands of this evil man and save the life of this young man.
CBC sucks because instead of leading off with the life of Tim McLean, these insensitive idiots lead off with the life of this scumbag. Pay homage and respect for the deceased first, but in todays world it is more about the killers because they are the ones that intrigue some people more. Tim McLean was just Tim McLean but that piece of crap was a killer who did these things, etc. Ask yourself which story is more tantalizing to the public because after all, the media is just selling you the story, whether you like it or not.
The CBC and the rest of these media outlets could care less about Tim McLean, he is just another sensational story to all of them. It is Tim McLean’s family, friends and community that have to deal with this incident for the rest of their lives. CBC is just on the hunt for the next storyline.
And what about those people in Winnipeg lining up outside to see this animal, everyone was silent. Why?
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These kinds of crimes and these kinds of people(like this killer) are one of the reasons why I am actively opposed to prisoner rights organizations. Futhermore, I STRONGLY believe that the insanity defense for murder should be permanently abolished in the entire US and all of Canada! A killer is a killer and his mental state at the time is irrelevant! Some of you apologists may think thats not fair but its ultimately better for society and for the victims families. Both the US and CA have judicial systems which are tilted way too far in favor of ciminals to be effective.
BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT OUR SYSTEM IS TO EASY i SAY YOU TAKE A LIFE YOU SHOULD DIE AS YOU KILLED THAT PERSON .. THAT MAN WHO TOOK AWAY THE LIFE OF A YOUNG BOY ON THE BUS YOU BASTARD I SAY LET CANADIANS KILL HIM LET SOMEONE DO BACK WHAT HE DIDAND MAKE HIM SUFFER … BUT THE WAY OUR SYSTEM HERE IS SOME LAWYER WILL REPRESENT THAT TWISTED BASTARD AND HE WILL GO TO SOME SICKO WARD AND OUR TAX DOLLARS WILL PAY FOR HIM TO GET TREATMENT CAUSE SOMEONE WILL SAY “OH HE WAS ILL ..
.. I SAY KILL THE BASTARD ,,, MY HEART TO THE PARENTS WHO NOW HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT THERE SON … A YOUNG MAN NOT EVEN LIVED A FULL LIFE YET .. SECURITY ON A BUS’ SHOULD BE IN EFFECT .. THIS MAKES ME SICK THE CRAZY TWISTED PEOPLE WALKING OUR STREETS NO ONE IS SAFE ANYMORE …
I have a question. HOW DID HE GET THE WEAPON ON THE BUS??!! His weapon was described as a “rambo sized knife” they don’t check bags for weapons in Canada before boarding transportation traveling long distances? Its my understanding that a Greyhound bus doesn’t make regular stops every two blocks like public busses. How did this man manage to get such a large knife on the bus?
Statistically it would have only took one person to act to cause a shitload of other people to react in the same direction. Once one person reacts a domino effect is set off in reaction to whichever road the first person reacts. The first reaction was to run and therefore the majority mimicked. Had the initial reaction been to save the life that’s what wud have been done.
I completely agree with all those people commenting on the passengers. How could 37 or so passengers not overtake ONE man…it was not a gun it was a knife. Yes, he was psychotic and obviously there would be a risk involved in grabbing him, but come on people. When did your humanity fly out the window? It sickens me most not his crime but that EVERYBODY on the bus fled while he was stabbed 50-60 times, decapitated, and gutted. Shame on all of you on that bus that day…how will you be able to sleep at night knowing your coward acts allowed such a horrific thing happen to an innocent 20 year old man listening to music, riding a bus?
A perfect example of a sick mind… oyochick! Man, I can’t believe the way this person thinks! I believe sick minds begin at a slow rate and i would say that oyochick is on their way …anyone that has no remorse for the living is simply the pathetic ones. I thought too why no one helped the poor guy….but if i was there I know as much as i would like to help him How could I???? I would be totally defenseless against this crazy man…and some people had their kids with them and people of all ages….how the hell can u victimize the innocent to have horrid memories because they were so afraid and the adrenaline inside them pumping so hard they all ran….its just the reaction of the body to do so….not because they are cowards! SHAME ON YOU!!!
MOre has gone on in the states than ever here in Canada so to all the Americans reading my post that made sick remarks to the coward canadians you say they are……then what about the Americans that stand by and watch the shit that goes down there everyday????? And to you oyochick…..why don’t u just pull up about 6 feet of soil and bury yourself in it because its people like you that make this world the world it is…..have some compassion for the living…the ones that will have this vision embedded in their minds forever…THEY.will suffer enough as it is they don’t need to hear the crap that is spewing off your lips!!!!! And I hope you remember what you said in these posts because its that remark that will come back to haunt you forever!!!! REMEMBER THAT!
Back to the lunatic that did this outrageous crime probably came from the states lol….but regardless….where he is from….the death penalty should be in place in this Country and we need to enforce it and we also need to stop more immigrants entering this country as well….for the past 30 years or so Canada has become a Country that it never was…..all because we allow so many different cultures into it that now its a land of Horror! Where did our Country go?
We need to change the laws on crime…and we need to stop the immigrants coming into this Country….or MAYBE THE CANADIANS THAT WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE AND ARE PROUD TO BE CANADIAN SHOULD STAND UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN AND TAKE THE LAWS INTO OUR HANDS AND TAKE OUT A FEW THAT DON’T BELONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS….
Skid on August 1st, 2008 3:57 am:
I’m shocked…no Canadian has blamed Americans for this? Did I miss it?
I’m American and I’m FAR from fat..at 6 feet I bet you’re still “fatter” than skinny me.
I suppose a smarta** like you is aware Canada gave up it’s soverignty from a self defense stand point A LONG TIME AGO to the U.S. (NORAD) and NATO and an organization called the United States Navy (not the Canadian, they’re barely capable of patrolling Canada’s frontiers) patrols the high seas protecting free trade and shipping including of course Canadian…DUH!
I’m from the northeast (bordering Canada) not Texas and even I have to admit those male passengers (where’s radical feminazis in situations like this?) acted like cowards….they basically froze…..a group of men could have overpowered a guy with a knife but I suppose radical leftist ideology that’s controlled Canada for 40 plus years has created these men.
Canadians: please excuse some of the harshness of my comments I’m not anti-Canadian and my comments sadly can easily apply to Americans in 2008.
the man who did this is sick, and should die, he needs his head decapitated, just like what he did to an innocent person, no one deserves to die this way, and what were you people thinking on the bus, did you not try to help the poor guy, people are sickening to me.
kill the sycho, he is worthless!
omg..those poor officers that witnessed that and the prison officers that will have to deal with that thing everyday.
My thoughts and prayers to all the families.
sheessss
Well…horrible, disturbing happening. Much like a nightmare I would imagine. An act of absolute brutality and madness.
For the passengers it wasn’t just a matter of fighting a man with a knife… they would have been disoriented and terrified. A bus isle is thin, even getting off the bus would’ve been an act of courage.
Unfortunately it does seem that many Americans are very ignorant and much too gun happy. Even if someone did have a gun, to use it they would have had to take a life! The guy is insane, was doing something heinous, but I think that actually killing someone (even for the right reasons) would be a really hard thing to do. (Or at least if we are at all human it should be)
The amount of violent acts happening all the time is so scary. If only we felt responsible for our actions and respect for other people (and the planet). It’s not the death penalty that will stop these things from happening. It’s discipline (in our early years) education and role models (being proud of people for GOOD or RIGHT reasons). But there will always be crazy people.
Such a very sad tragedy.
I think Canada needs to look at his mental health system.
What a one sided, awful thing to say oyochick & Cindy and the rest of the people who think that its partially the passengers faults for not avenging the victims death. “I hope those blood-curdling screams haunt them till the day they die.I hope those blood-curdling screams haunt them till the day they die.” - oyochick. A big round of applauds to you for being the most disgusting American other than Bush. The victim was at the wrong place at the wrong time becide a mentally insane murderer. If you were on the bus I think you would have done the same thing that the rest of the passengers had done and run for your life. Like the ex-cop said mentally insane people like the suspect probably have no sence of pain and if you were to go and try to defend yourself/ others you would probably have turned up like the victim. I am sad to hear the suspect was not shot even though there was no one on the bus but I personally would rather the guy to be shot dead then to be in the mental institution for a couple of years and then released because he seemed normal again.
(I don’t know why my other comment turned out like that)
It makes me sick to my stomach, just to think about what happened on that bus.
Poor Young Guy.
I really can’t believe no one try to help that young man. They were only
cowards traveling. They all should shame of them self and will always remember, they did nothing to save a life.
In the US we recently passed a new bill allowing people that have concealed carry permits to carry on public transportation, excluding air travel of course.
From the sound of alot of you here it seems that most of you believe if there was another passenger with a gun that they would have basically screwed up and killed not just the attacker but others.
If it were you, would you have wished there was some other citizen carrying a gun? I mean, I think the cenario would have played out somewhat like this “Stop, I have a gun, Stop, I have a gun, *Boom*. Is this disagreeable to you? If this man was insane does that mean that he should not suffer the standards of a life and death situation? I think everyone will agree that if someone legally possesed a gun on that bus, this situation would not have gone nearly that far.
Would the man still have died? Maybe, maybe not. If the first stab was to the jugular then, yea, probably. But, even so, I dont think this dicounts that I would have liked to know that he WOULDNT have had any ability to start stabbing others before they stopped the bus and people walked past this guy. It could have been much worse.
I dont think anyone is “Heroic” in this situation. I dont think anyone is “Cowardly” either.
Do you know how many people will throw someone in front of a car to save themselves? I mean litterally. It is a natural instinct to use ANYTHING as leverage to push yourself away from a life threatening situation (a car, etc). So in other words, pushing someone in front of danger is essentially pushing yourself away from the danger. Our first instinct is survival. So you can’t blame anyone. But you can’t call anyone a Hero either.
No object kills anyone. Crazy, Deluded, and Angry impulsive people, Kill PEOPLE.
Try and define, Good and Bad. Hard to these days…
This is all just speculation. Why is so little information about this being released? Why the secrecy? If dude’s NOT a Muslim, Just Say So. If he didn’t tak about the Koran, Just Say So. If he didn’t write things on the bus windows, Just Say So.
You know why they won’t Just Say So?
Because… oops. Getting ahead of myself here.
This is so sad! so what the hell were all the other people doing? they could have jumped the man! He had a knife not a gun! I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE! THEN THE DUMP MAN ON THE VIDEO SAYS THAT HE WAS IN THE MILTARY! THEY COULD THAT HELP THIS MAN.
RIP Timothy Richard McLean
This is so sad! so what the hell were all the other people doing? they could have jumped the man! He had a knife not a gun! I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE! THEN THE DUMP MAN ON THE VIDEO SAYS THAT HE WAS IN THE MILTARY! THEY COULD THAT HELP THIS MAN.
it is a horrible thing to be able to sit at our computers and say shame on them for running or if I would have been there….. this guy had two weapons not just one. was he trained in some way? I say hurah to those who got themselves and everyone else off the bus and then went back afterwards. It is very hard to imagine what each and everyone would have done if it would have been you. Me myself and I would have been out the closest window. And for those arguing about U.S. vs Canada those are the real ones who are to blame. Shame on you what about the victims family, friends loved ones? They are possibly from all over the world. WE are all children of God we should pull together at times like these to protect the chidren of the futrue. To ensure this never happens ever again. I consider all people north and south of any border kin, family, MY FRIEND. Please lets pull together.
This was not a case of bravery vs. cowardice. This has nothing to do with whether Canadians need to carry guns or not. Because face it, people. You cannot paint an entire country with the same brush. The U.S. citizens are not a violent race. Canadians are not pushover pansies who need to get a back-bone. People need to stop thinking of others as ‘Americans’ or ‘Canadians’. Start thinking of them as ‘people’.
I’ll recap:
‘A person with a serious mental illness walks on a bus. While there, he kills someone. People run outisde and lock him in.’
Doesn’t that sound better than:
‘A psycho walks onto a bus and hacks someone’s head off. All the silly little Canadians run away, but the clever and handsome American stands up and pulls out a gun! Unfortunately, since the U.S. let’s any old John and Bob off the street carry a weapon, he can’t actually aim, so he ends up shooting a little frightened schoolgirl. He fires another round and hits an old lady. Since he’s held everyone up, the psycho has managed to slaughter another three people, then the clever and handsome American along with them.’
Hmm…
Come on, people. If someone was actually carrying a gun, they would either be too stupid to fire it or smart enough not to. So, think. Are you going to be an idiot and try to fire a weapon in an enclosed, panicked area? Or smart enough to try to get everyone off the bus safely?
My deepest sympathies go out to the victim’s family and friends. Schizophrenic or not, I hope that murderer gets put away for life.
And calm down Canadians. Stop hating on America.
When you stereotype, it shows how ignorant you are.
@ melanie: Tell that to the Americans. =.=
The fact that this young man was minding his own business listening to music when this happened to him is horrifying. The whole thing is really sad, and I sincerely hope that he was not aware of what was happening for very long.
It disgusts me that the media have discussed the killer’s life instead of the victim’s. The life of the killer isn’t the important one; his life was not snuffed out so viciously. Tim McLean’s life should be the one that should be honored and remembered.
I am an American, and I don’t overgeneralize and assume that Canadians are cowards. If anything, my heart goes out to those passengers. We can all talk all the crap we want and say we would have helped Tim McLean, but as for myself, I have to say that I would have been in shock and run myself. It’s easy to sit in the comfort of your own home and criticize others when you weren’t there. It’s easy to say what the passengers should have done. Not so easy to witness such a horrifying event and hear that scream and being scared out of your mind.
How ridiculous of anyone to criticize, how pathetic. You might as well criticize Tim McLean himself and accuse him of being a coward who didn’t stand up for himself on time. How utterly stupid.
I would appreciate it if the Canadians on this forum do not assume that all Americans are the same. We have our share of violent people, yes. That does not mean that all of us are violent. How rude to overgeneralize in such a way. If the only person I met from Canada was a racist jerk my first assumption would not be “All Canadians are racist.” Good God.
And if you want to accuse us of being uneducated? Maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to sink to the same level as the idiots criticizing those passengers and play the “my country is better than your country” game.
“Unfortunately it does seem that many Americans are very ignorant….”
What in the world kind of GROSS bigoted generalization (not to mention extremely vague bordering on the meaningless) is that? The very comment itself speaks volumes about ignorance.
I said in previous posts I thought the male passengers could have done more and the armed cops could have prevented the psycho from mutilating and apparantly nibbling on this poor kid’s body……surely they could have stopped the psycho from decapitating and gutting the poor kid’s body? I’m American and I didn’t say the passengers needed to be armed with firearms …… and never said Americans were “brave’ while Canadians were cowards; if the same thing happened in America I ‘d say the same thing.
I’m sure there are MANY canadians (not to mention this poor kid’s friends) who think more should have been done to help him.
It sounded like a cross between a dog howling and a baby crying to paraphrase an eyewitness……who on here would be pi**ed off if their friend or loved one was stabbed many multiple times while making a sound like that and then suffering the indignities of being decapitated, gutted and canibalized while strong healthy grown men and later armed cops stode by and basically did little to nothing to stop it? Who wouldn’t be EXTREMELY angry and justifiably so?
The cops could have easily shot him; now I appreciate it’s probably against some regulation but that in itself is ridiculous…..if anyone deserves to be shot to death it’s a psycho in an empty bus gutting and attempting to eat a dead human body while playing with the decapitated head.
And of course I realize it’s very traumatic for the cops and first responders and shooting someone dead even in a situation like this is very traumatic for the cop(s) involved but for God’s sake it’s part of the job, it’s dirty, and no reasonable decent person would hold it against them but rather express empathy and compassion.
Extremely sad; society has become this soft and PC?
We can all sit here and write what we all think should have happened or what we think we would have done in the same situation but the truth is we wern’t there so you have no idea how you would have reacted - I know a lot of you would love to think you are all super heroes but let me tell you … you really arn’t.
Losing this young man is a tragedy and my thoughts go out to his family, what the Canadian system now do with him will be in accordance to their laws today and i’m sure caging this animal will be the result (although i too don’t feel this is enough) - I feel for everybody who was on that bus, what an awful experience.
All you people who state you would have confronted the attacker to prevent even more nasty things happening to an already dead victim are totally deluded ….. If you would seriously put yourselves at risk then you really need to evaluate what is important in you’re own lives.
If an attacker is capable of the initial attack he is not going to care too much about putting you in a box either - I agree with Bruce, you may think you could turn a situation around but i’m sure the reality would be a little different.
Lets all just reflect on the victims family and how horrible this must be for them - getting revenge is no justice for the victim or them.
Im pretty shocked that this terrible story now seems to have taken on a life of its own and has become a Canada vs America debate! Its very easy for anybody to say ‘they would have behaved in a particular way and been able to save the poor kid’ but they weren’t there and I would imagine that in a confined enviroment such as a bus it must have been absolute hell & most would have acted on instinct & andrenaline and been in shock. The poor kid hopefully wouldn’t have had much time to realise what was happening and if he was hit in the neck then it may well have been the first stab that actually killed him. I don’t believe for an instant that there was much anybody could have done and getting everyone off the bus and keeping the killer trapped on was very brave and was all they could do. As for the Death Penalty, I admit that with more and more people being murdered in Britain, I’m for it and have always been when it comes to some of the terrible crimes we have here. Like someone else said there are bad people & sick people everywhere and sometimes there is no way of stopping these awful random killings. I hope that everyone involved on that bus receives the counselling that they need in order to get through this and that my thoughts lie with the boy & his friends & family.
“Deserves death”
It’s funny how many people say that all life should be valued, and then turn on someone who wasn’t in control of his own body! Who are you to deal out death so easily? America. And I’m not calling all Americans evil and war-like, so you can stop with that. But killing people to teach people not to kill people is such a simple-minded way of thinking. Personally, I see it as weakness. Would you want to waste away in jail for the rest of your life, suffering inumerable horrors and being surrounded by much worse people than yourself? Or would you want it to end quickly and painlessly.
Because they don’t kill inhumanely. Heck, I’d rather have the guy in jail than to drift off peacefully in a psychotic state.
And @ John: A lot of Americans are ignorant. But that isn’t a generalization. A lot of Canadians are ignorant. Americans just seem to show it better.
And shooting people isn’t part of being a cop. Saving lives is more important than taking them. If the cops had shot him, that would just be another life lost on the bus.
I do believe we’re in the last days. What this mad man did is beyond wicked, and profoundly heinous.
We’re conditioned to believe “certain” people are/aren’t capable of certain acts, and certain areas of the world are so much “safer” than other places. So, we bask in our comfort zone, totally unaware the evil doesn’t care where you live, or what color skin you have. To turn this into a “Canada vs America” issue, is stupid.
I grieve with this man’s family and friends. He died a horrible, senseless death, at the hands of a demon-possessed monster.
Yes, I do wonder why this killer got as far as he did. But when I think of my own experiences on buses, I’m not surprised. Here’s a man, who’s in a “demonic trance”, and it’s clear that he’s outnumbered, yet he’s able to stab a man repeatedly, cut his head off and continue slashing away? Sorry if that sounds “judgemental”, but yes, how did that happen?
I’ve seen folks sit and just…watch (and bus drivers continue driving), wh